Comments for Secrets of a Pro Gambler http://www.greyhoundlayprofits.co.uk/blog Tips, techniques & advice to help you make tax-free money from Betfair Tue, 06 Jul 2010 12:27:27 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 Comment on Betfair Pirate Review (Updated 5th July) by Chris http://www.greyhoundlayprofits.co.uk/blog/betfair-pirate-review/comment-page-1#comment-165 Chris Tue, 06 Jul 2010 12:27:27 +0000 http://www.greyhoundlayprofits.co.uk/blog/?p=1075#comment-165 Hi Keith You are quite right to point out that there would be problems if too many people were allowed to subscribe. And even if a limit on the number of subscribers to the Betfair Pirate bot was introduced (as I suspect it will), problems could occur as existing users increased their stakes. Having said that, there is usually quite a lot of money waiting to be matched on any horse race. At the moment, the bot is set to place lay bets into the market 90 secs before the race is due to start. It would certainly be possible for Betfair pirate to alter this time - maybe so that (say) 20 bots place their bets 180 secs before race time; a further 20 at 150 secs; another 20 at 120 secs, and so on. Spreading the betting load could get bets matched without having a dramatic impact on prices. Chris Hi Keith

You are quite right to point out that there would be problems if too many people were allowed to subscribe. And even if a limit on the number of subscribers to the Betfair Pirate bot was introduced (as I suspect it will), problems could occur as existing users increased their stakes.

Having said that, there is usually quite a lot of money waiting to be matched on any horse race. At the moment, the bot is set to place lay bets into the market 90 secs before the race is due to start. It would certainly be possible for Betfair pirate to alter this time – maybe so that (say) 20 bots place their bets 180 secs before race time; a further 20 at 150 secs; another 20 at 120 secs, and so on. Spreading the betting load could get bets matched without having a dramatic impact on prices.

Chris

]]> Comment on Betfair Pirate Review (Updated 5th July) by Keith Kerrison http://www.greyhoundlayprofits.co.uk/blog/betfair-pirate-review/comment-page-1#comment-164 Keith Kerrison Tue, 06 Jul 2010 09:30:49 +0000 http://www.greyhoundlayprofits.co.uk/blog/?p=1075#comment-164 The immediate attraction of Betfair Pirate is the ability to simply set and forget the software and check the profit later. Add to this the fact that it is already getting the "thumbs up" from several trusted sites and it is highly likely to receive a large number of subscribers. What will happen to the prices on Betfair when this happens? Is it an "urban myth" that a successfully promoted product has an adverse effect on prices, resulting in bets being unmatched? I seem to recall that "Winners Into Losers" - where everyone achieved the same selections - was amongst several systems cited as having the potential to influence Betfair prices. But then again, the next "wonder product" comes along to divert attention so the long-term effect might not be too bad. In my own case I think that this will be a case of "wait and see" in terms of overall performance during Chris's 3 month trial in relation to the results and any identified problems getting bets matched. The immediate attraction of Betfair Pirate is the ability to simply set and forget the software and check the profit later. Add to this the fact that it is already getting the “thumbs up” from several trusted sites and it is highly likely to receive a large number of subscribers. What will happen to the prices on Betfair when this happens? Is it an “urban myth” that a successfully promoted product has an adverse effect on prices, resulting in bets being unmatched? I seem to recall that “Winners Into Losers” – where everyone achieved the same selections – was amongst several systems cited as having the potential to influence Betfair prices. But then again, the next “wonder product” comes along to divert attention so the long-term effect might not be too bad. In my own case I think that this will be a case of “wait and see” in terms of overall performance during Chris’s 3 month trial in relation to the results and any identified problems getting bets matched.

]]> Comment on Betfair Pirate Review (Updated 5th July) by Chris http://www.greyhoundlayprofits.co.uk/blog/betfair-pirate-review/comment-page-1#comment-163 Chris Tue, 06 Jul 2010 07:18:13 +0000 http://www.greyhoundlayprofits.co.uk/blog/?p=1075#comment-163 Pete Mine is version 4.0.0.0 (only the brest and latest version for me!). it does sound as if you have an earlier version of the bot - mine shows all of the lay selections for the day and what happens with each selection. You'll see more of what i mean when I get my video posted (hopefully later today) I agree with you that it does - so far - look interesting. Chris Pete

Mine is version 4.0.0.0 (only the brest and latest version for me!). it does sound as if you have an earlier version of the bot – mine shows all of the lay selections for the day and what happens with each selection. You’ll see more of what i mean when I get my video posted (hopefully later today)

I agree with you that it does – so far – look interesting.

Chris

]]> Comment on Betfair Pirate Review (Updated 5th July) by waserpr http://www.greyhoundlayprofits.co.uk/blog/betfair-pirate-review/comment-page-1#comment-162 waserpr Mon, 05 Jul 2010 20:42:54 +0000 http://www.greyhoundlayprofits.co.uk/blog/?p=1075#comment-162 Chris, You are lucky to get a free 3 month trial.The normal Lol ! person only got a month.But I can tell you now you will not find any fault in this because this is the real thing and support is second to none !! However I would like to know how you can tell there were several lays that did not get matched today because my bot only shows a selection at 90 secs from advertised start of race and all have been matched ! Perhaps you have been given a different model than ours? Regards. Pete. Chris,

You are lucky to get a free 3 month trial.The normal Lol ! person only got a month.But I can tell you now you will not find any fault in this because this is the real thing and support is second to none !! However I would like to know how you can tell there were several lays that did not get matched today because my bot only shows a selection at 90 secs from advertised start of race and all have been matched ! Perhaps you have been given a different model than ours?
Regards. Pete.

]]> Comment on Betting Unleashed Review by hayley http://www.greyhoundlayprofits.co.uk/blog/betting-unleashed-review/comment-page-1#comment-156 hayley Tue, 15 Jun 2010 21:32:50 +0000 http://www.greyhoundlayprofits.co.uk/blog/?p=1018#comment-156 I first bought betting under ground and the promise along with the system is they email you free tips. i never got any tips sent. regarding the system i would email them to ask questions but they would never email back. service rubbish and systems useless. i took advantage of the 100% 60 day guaranteed money back and got my refund . if you want a refund ask before a 45 day period runs out. betting unleashed i gave it a good go. chris fenton the guy who runs it was very helpful when you need to ask a question. but i only made losses with this system. and i followed it to a T. my advice the system it no good and your not only wasting money buying it. you loosing money and time to. Chris also offers 100% 60 day guarantee . i got my refund back on this system . i felt bad as chris fenton was helpful I first bought betting under ground and the promise along with the system is they email you free tips. i never got any tips sent.
regarding the system i would email them to ask questions but they would never email back. service rubbish and systems useless. i took advantage of the 100% 60 day guaranteed money back and got my refund . if you want a refund ask before
a 45 day period runs out.

betting unleashed i gave it a good go. chris fenton the guy who runs it was very helpful when you need to ask a question.
but i only made losses with this system. and i followed it to a T.
my advice the system it no good and your not only wasting money buying it. you loosing money and time to.
Chris also offers 100% 60 day guarantee . i got my refund back on this system . i felt bad as chris fenton was helpful

]]> Comment on One Of My Favourite Tipping Services – A Review Of The Midas Method by HorstRadisch http://www.greyhoundlayprofits.co.uk/blog/one-of-my-favourite-tipping-services-a-review-of-the-midas-method/comment-page-1#comment-154 HorstRadisch Fri, 04 Jun 2010 20:41:17 +0000 http://www.greyhoundlayprofits.co.uk/blog/?p=1002#comment-154 Hi Noel I used it for three days out of about seven. The other days I was nowhere near a PC at the required time. One won. The others lost a packet. I make a few bob these days betting on American sports, greyhounds and football, and was hoping to add horses to the list. I would have taken one day out of three losing with a pinch of salt, but two out of three coupled with what I (like you) had found via Google was enough for me to put the service on "block sender". Hi Noel

I used it for three days out of about seven. The other days I was nowhere near a PC at the required time. One won. The others lost a packet.

I make a few bob these days betting on American sports, greyhounds and football, and was hoping to add horses to the list. I would have taken one day out of three losing with a pinch of salt, but two out of three coupled with what I (like you) had found via Google was enough for me to put the service on “block sender”.

]]> Comment on One Of My Favourite Tipping Services – A Review Of The Midas Method by teabag141 http://www.greyhoundlayprofits.co.uk/blog/one-of-my-favourite-tipping-services-a-review-of-the-midas-method/comment-page-1#comment-153 teabag141 Sat, 29 May 2010 15:34:46 +0000 http://www.greyhoundlayprofits.co.uk/blog/?p=1002#comment-153 Hi -HorstRadisch you are two weeks into the first month with this guy - how are you doing ? -- I just came on here today to have a look and i would not be impressed with this site -- looks the usual gimmick stuff -- i saw the googled info on the said Mr Gilruth -- enough to put you off for life ....does anyone have any idea how hard it is to be consistent in this business. -- Look at the Adrianmassey site - Forum - Horse Racing -Horse Racing Systems - 4*/5* , 40+ thread - 2 years in profit +200% each year and this year it is a flop -- Myself i can analyise a race very well but it takes so much time -- Most people are lazy (including myself) so ill look for consistent systems or threads -- I have an offer from a mathematician and IT specialist to develop a computer system. I am woking on this at the moment and it is huge task. The thing is when and if it can be developed why would i even dream of selling it or its daily selections ??? why would i want to saturate the market with the real info ? when the word gets out every tom/dick and harry will be on those selections -- Then it cant work --- so these so called systems i believe are a gimmick -- any system which has a few simple rules or rely on back-fitting will eventually fail -- This is common knowledge -- So its back to the dredge of form study old style -- What time is it ?? oh my god have i been that long studying -- i must go and feed the child -- Let me know your thoughts Regards Noel Hi -HorstRadisch you are two weeks into the first month with this guy – how are you doing ? — I just came on here today to have a look and i would not be impressed with this site — looks the usual gimmick stuff — i saw the googled info on the said Mr Gilruth — enough to put you off for life ….does anyone have any idea how hard it is to be consistent in this business. — Look at the Adrianmassey site – Forum – Horse Racing -Horse Racing Systems – 4*/5* , 40+ thread – 2 years in profit +200% each year and this year it is a flop — Myself i can analyise a race very well but it takes so much time — Most people are lazy (including myself) so ill look for consistent systems or threads — I have an offer from a mathematician and IT specialist to develop a computer system. I am woking on this at the moment and it is huge task. The thing is when and if it can be developed why would i even dream of selling it or its daily selections ??? why would i want to saturate the market with the real info ? when the word gets out every tom/dick and harry will be on those selections — Then it cant work — so these so called systems i believe are a gimmick — any system which has a few simple rules or rely on back-fitting will eventually fail — This is common knowledge — So its back to the dredge of form study old style — What time is it ?? oh my god have i been that long studying — i must go and feed the child — Let me know your thoughts

Regards
Noel

]]> Comment on Are arbitrage services really a 100% risk-free method of making money? by Chris http://www.greyhoundlayprofits.co.uk/blog/are-arbitrage-services-really-a-100-risk-free-method-of-making-money/comment-page-1#comment-149 Chris Fri, 21 May 2010 04:59:13 +0000 http://www.greyhoundlayprofits.co.uk/blog/?p=1011#comment-149 Thanks for your personal experience, gassygreg. It does go to show that arbs are not "100% risk-free". I've had a couple of emails from people who have experienced problems of getting all of their bets placed. Arbing can work but using a commercial service for your arbs does mean that there will be a whole load of people all trying to get the same bets matched. This alerts bookmakers who - as people have found out - either quickly alter their odds, or refuse to accept the bet. The best way of finding arbs is to do it yourself. This can be tricky and time-consuming. Chris Thanks for your personal experience, gassygreg. It does go to show that arbs are not “100% risk-free”. I’ve had a couple of emails from people who have experienced problems of getting all of their bets placed.
Arbing can work but using a commercial service for your arbs does mean that there will be a whole load of people all trying to get the same bets matched. This alerts bookmakers who – as people have found out – either quickly alter their odds, or refuse to accept the bet. The best way of finding arbs is to do it yourself. This can be tricky and time-consuming. Chris

]]> Comment on Are arbitrage services really a 100% risk-free method of making money? by gassygreg http://www.greyhoundlayprofits.co.uk/blog/are-arbitrage-services-really-a-100-risk-free-method-of-making-money/comment-page-1#comment-147 gassygreg Thu, 20 May 2010 18:05:38 +0000 http://www.greyhoundlayprofits.co.uk/blog/?p=1011#comment-147 Hi all, After my experience of arbs last year I feel i need to comment on this subject, I signed up to ucantlose and followed their instructions as per the site opening up accounts with bookmakers all over europe, very time consuming. you get an e-mail and text when an arb is available but you must be at you computer because they will only last minutes, thats the upside, The downsides and this is my experience, On one occasion I placed an arb on an ice hockey match two sides of the arb were with ladbrokes and one with sporting bet, i placed the bet with sporingbet first, then the two bets with ladbrokes, as it was my firsrt bet with sportingbet after placing the bets I went back into the site to have a look around, I had placed a bet of £300 odd pounds on this side of the arb but noticed it had been returned to my balance in my account, I phoned sportingbet and they informed my that the price was inverted and that they were returning my stake because they had priced it wrong, I stated that they had accepted my bet an d should honour the original transaction, no chance, I spoke to the manager of sportingbet but they would not honour the bet, so I had £700 outlayed on only 2 of the 3 possible outcomes and checked all the other bookmakers to see if i could still make a profit. no, I reported sportingbet to IBAS stating that on ce a bet was taken it should be honoured and that if that had happened on course would a bookmaker be chasing a punter around epsom trying to give him his money back because he priced it wrong or refusing to pay him out if the horse won anarchy would prevail. IBAS wrote back stating that sportingbet were within there rights to cancel the bet so in my experience arbs are riskier the gambling, Hi all, After my experience of arbs last year I feel i need to comment on this subject,
I signed up to ucantlose and followed their instructions as per the site opening up accounts with bookmakers all over europe, very time consuming. you get an e-mail and text when an arb is available but you must be at you computer because they will only last minutes, thats the upside, The downsides and this is my experience, On one occasion I placed an arb on an ice hockey match two sides of the arb were with ladbrokes and one with sporting bet, i placed the bet with sporingbet first, then the two bets with ladbrokes, as it was my firsrt bet with sportingbet after placing the bets I went back into the site to have a look around, I had placed a bet of £300 odd pounds on this side of the arb but noticed it had been returned to my balance in my account, I phoned sportingbet and they informed my that the price was inverted and that they were returning my stake because they had priced it wrong, I stated that they had accepted my bet an d should honour the original transaction, no chance, I spoke to the manager of sportingbet but they would not honour the bet, so I had £700 outlayed on only 2 of the 3 possible outcomes and checked all the other bookmakers to see if i could still make a profit. no, I reported sportingbet to IBAS stating that on ce a bet was taken it should be honoured and that if that had happened on course would a bookmaker be chasing a punter around epsom trying to give him his money back because he priced it wrong or refusing to pay him out if the horse won anarchy would prevail. IBAS wrote back stating that sportingbet were within there rights to cancel the bet so in my experience arbs are riskier the gambling,

]]> Comment on Are arbitrage services really a 100% risk-free method of making money? by HorstRadisch http://www.greyhoundlayprofits.co.uk/blog/are-arbitrage-services-really-a-100-risk-free-method-of-making-money/comment-page-1#comment-146 HorstRadisch Thu, 20 May 2010 12:36:01 +0000 http://www.greyhoundlayprofits.co.uk/blog/?p=1011#comment-146 My experience was that the windows of opportunity rarely lasted more than a few minutes. Then, if you've already placed bets one and two (say), you have the choice of trying to lay them off for a small loss or hoping the odds on the third option move back in your favour. If they don't, and you end up putting the third bet on for the least worst result, you can have the joy of watching (say) a football match knowing whatever the outcome you will lose a small amount of money. To put it mildly, I didn't find that improved the enjoyment, which was why I stopped. That was several years ago, however. Maybe things have got better? Good luck to anyone who tries it. I would be interested to know why the bookies don't like people arbing. Whilst I don't doubt it is true, I can't for the life of me think why. Anyone got any ideas? My experience was that the windows of opportunity rarely lasted more than a few minutes. Then, if you’ve already placed bets one and two (say), you have the choice of trying to lay them off for a small loss or hoping the odds on the third option move back in your favour. If they don’t, and you end up putting the third bet on for the least worst result, you can have the joy of watching (say) a football match knowing whatever the outcome you will lose a small amount of money. To put it mildly, I didn’t find that improved the enjoyment, which was why I stopped.

That was several years ago, however. Maybe things have got better? Good luck to anyone who tries it.

I would be interested to know why the bookies don’t like people arbing. Whilst I don’t doubt it is true, I can’t for the life of me think why. Anyone got any ideas?

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